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Sunday, March 31, 2013
Springs Credits
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Thursday, August 25, 2011
Show Me the Money
Friday, July 01, 2011
Thursday, May 19, 2011
Sunday, May 15, 2011
Saturday, February 19, 2011
R.I.P. Hydro

Quincy Hydro Project 2006 – 2011
Quincy Hydro Project born on Dec 12, 2006 in Quincy Illinois, left us on February 18, 2011. It will be joined in the after life by Firegate, Puppygate, Servergate, and other taxpayer funded blunders.
It is survived by it's financial dependents Klingner & Associates, Mead & Hunt, Joe Duesterhaus, Husch-Blackwell, Mississippi L & D 21, LLC, Grey Hunter Stenn, Michael Alexander and Associates, Northland Securities, Bernardi Securities and GREDF.
Quincy Hydro Project made no contribution to the city taxpayers and rarely had a chance to survive and produce electricity even if the project matured. I speak for the majority of city taxpayers when I say it's presence will not be missed by many, very few tears will be shed and there will be no lamenting over its passing.
It's financial family will remember Quincy Hydro Project and amongst ourselves we will remember it in our own way, which were mostly taxpayer funded and easy times throughout the years. We may have made some fond profits of it and perhaps we will think of those times too. But I truly believe at the end of the day ALL of us will really only miss what we never had, a another taxpayer funded white elephant. As for the rest of us left behind, I hope this is the beginning of a time of healing and learning to be a financial responsible city again.
There will be no service. An online memorial service will be here on Quincy Fire where users can share their memories, moods, incriminating feasibility studies, pictures, and gross amounts of profit.
In lieu of flowers, financial dependents request that you send donations to “Where's My Damn Money Gone”. Grief counseling will also be made available by logging on to Quincy Area Hydropower Project.
We commit the application remains of
Quincy Hydro Project
to the Deep ~
ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
From water, all life arises.
Mother of waters, Father of rain,
You have taken back your own.
As a stream flows into a river,
as a river flows into the sea,
This project is dead,
R.I.P.
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Tuesday, January 25, 2011
Saturday, October 16, 2010
Not the best Dam Investment

Last time the potential for this to produce a single watt of electric was March 8, 2010.
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Wednesday, August 25, 2010
Sunday, August 01, 2010
2010 Hydro Update
Reading JRG's Blog on the "Wants, not needs" got me back on the Hydro track, well...... that and a morning inside enjoying the AC.
Bob brings up the point " We were supposed to have an equity partner in place by late June, early July at the latest. Guess what? July ends Saturday."
Today is August 1st so let's crunch some numbers.
Here is the information that I retrieved off the rivergages.com for this years thru 7/31/10.
Pool is river level at Quincy Filter plant, Tailwater is from L&D 21 and Fall is the difference between the two. The OEM of the Hydro generating turbines states that the minimum fall needed to produce electricity is 1.4 meters or 4.5'. The Chart here has the results color coded as below 4.5' as red and above 4.51' as green.
As you can see that there has been only 35 days so far this years that the multimillion dollar Hydro project would produce electricity. This is 212 days into the year.
Do the math and this is a whopping 6% operational efficiency.
Maybe that explains why the partners are not beating a path to city hall.
Thinking Michael may add some input ???
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Tuesday, March 09, 2010
Hydro Cookie Jar

Michael Alexander and Associates as a lobbyist at a cost of $5,000 a month for up to 12 months.
Stoel Rives, LLC for those services at a cost of at least $250,000.
Great River Economic Development Foundation $3,000.
Tuesday, February 23, 2010
Mirror, Mirror.......
Hire fellow co-workers and friends that have zero experience on hydro projects to form a corporation to run the project.Hire a fellow alderman's brother at 3 x's the going rate to form the corporations.
Appoint the city planner as project manager. Zero experience here too.
Hire Klingners for project planning.
Hire a fellow friend to lobby to acquire funding, mainly to pay for this funding.
Hire a power purchase negotiator for power that has yet to be generated.
"I don't know what political cronyism means"
Go in the bathroom and look in the mirror.
Wednesday, January 13, 2010
Wind 1, Hydro 0
Global Winds Harvest of Schenectady, N.Y., in partnership with Acciona Energy North America, is considering installing up to 100 generators, or possibly more in Adams County.
If a wind farm were to get off the ground, it could have a big economic impact on the county. Zellman said a wind farm would create 200 or more construction jobs and 15 to 20 permanent jobs upon completion. These would be high-paying jobs offering between $50,000 and $70,000 a year.
An array of wind turbines would generate significant property tax revenue for local schools and other governmental entities.
Where does this private company get off by NOT spending MILLIONS of taxpayer money investing in something that might work?
Why are there not MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars being spent on studies and engineering fees?
Create 200 or more construction jobs and 15 to 20 permanent jobs upon completion?
Glad it will create tax revenue for our governmental entities so we can piss more money away on our Hydro project.......
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Friday, September 04, 2009
37.79%
That’s the percentage of days that the Hydro project will not be producing any electric.
This information comes straight from the VLF website.
The operating head for this turbine design is between 1.4 and 2.8 meters of head.
Did some quick number crunching from the COE Rock Island web site on river levels. Take the pool level at L&D 21 and subtract the tailwater at L&D 21 and you get the “head”.
In the last 12 years the level that falls below the minimum operating head pressure design of these turbines would amount to them not operating 39.79% of the time. The worst years would be 1998 of not operating for 177 days ( 48.5% )and the best would be 2006 when they would only be down 55 days ( 15%).
If you want to look at the sheet I have done, let me know and I will paste it up.
Sunday, August 09, 2009
More on Hydro
First off, Kutos to Mr. Sparrow for standing up and asking for information on the hydro project.
QNO first broke the story, and QHW did a story Sunday.
Fire did a story on this back on 12.14.2008 titled Watch my Dam Money.
Really? I don't remember seeing any of these "discussions" that were open to the public?
......after a quick learning from the Illinois Open Meeting Act, I don't see where any of the exceptions would qualify for a closed door session? What would you be hiding?
Another quote from the King Duece ""Most all of it has been made public. But you can't force people to listen," That's Funny! From the King of "I-don't-want-to-hear-from-the-people" himself........
If this information is for the public, Why is it not on the citys Hydro Web Page? I can gleen more information from a gum wrapper. Maybe your IT dept. can take a break from the golf course and his soccer site to put some of this information out there?
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Sunday, May 10, 2009
Hydro Payoff
Ameren to cut Illinois power rates as costs fall
The city would make enough money to cover the bond repayments for 50 and provide power for city services and residents. Repaying the bonds could cost $2.6 if one plant was built and $8.5 million if three plants were built.
"When we looked at this in 1983, there wasn't the public support for it," Klingner said. "Now we have interest from the utilities to buy power from us. We looked at windpower, but the utilities weren't interested and that's why it wasn't feasible."
Repaying the bonds over a 50 year period would cut into the gross revenues, which could reach $13 million annually.
Each plant will has $675,000 in operational, management and maintenance costs built in. Alderman Steve Duesterhaus, (D-2nd Ward), asked if the hydropower plants would be a major permanent job creator for the city, besides the jobs created in building the facilities.
"I don't think it's too soon to talk about how we hold this asset," Duesterhaus said.
“Those two (Clarksville and Winfield) have even greater potential because they have much more drop (in water elevation) than the ones we’ve been entertaining,” he said. That could translate into even more production of electricity.
Sunday, March 22, 2009
Quick Study
Sunday, December 14, 2008
Watch My Dam Money
Reading the QHW 12/7 article on "Going Hydro" finally prompted me to dig into this for more than several reasons There is a lot of talk but very little proof that this will work. I hear and read lots of "I Think".
Let me tell you of what "I Think". Some of this is going to be cut and paste for two reasons: One, no since re-typing it, and Two, I'm lazy.
First to explain how hydro power works:
Flow and Head
The first step in assessing the feasibility of any hydroelectric system is to determine the amount of power that you can obtain from the stream at the site. The power available at any instant is primarily a product of the flow volume and "head." Flow volume is typically measured in cubic feet per second (cfs) or gallons per minute (gpm). Higher flow means more available power.
Head is a measure of the pressure of falling water, and is a function of the vertical distance that water drops and the characteristics of the channel, or pipe, through which it flows. Higher head means more available power. The higher the head the better, because less water is needed to produce a given amount of power. If less water is needed, then smaller, more efficient, and less costly turbines and piping can be used.
Hydroelectric sites are broadly categorized as low or high head sites. "Low head" typically refers to a change in elevation of less than 10 feet (3 meters). A vertical drop of less than 2 feet (0.61 meters) will probably make a hydroelectric system unfeasible. A high flow rate can compensate for low head, but a larger and more costly turbine will be necessary. It may be difficult to find a turbine that will operate efficiently under very low head and low flow.
In simpler terms, it converts the gravity of water falling into power.
Now a little research on Lock and Dam 21 tells us that:
Lock dimensions are 110-feet wide by 600-feet long with additional provisions for
an auxiliary lock. Normal upper pool elevation is 470.0, approximately 16 feet
above the tail waters of the dam at low water. When both pools are at their
normal depths, the difference in elevation is reduced to 11 feet or less
The maximum lift is 10.5 feet with an average lift of 6.55 feet.
The movable dam has 10 submersible, elliptical Tainter gates (20-feet high and
64-feet long) and three submersible roller gates (20-feet high and 100-feet long).
The dam system also includes two earth and sand-filled transitional dikes, and a
submersible earth dike.
What’s this mean? The maximum fall of water on a good day with the wind out of the south, normal rainfall, no spring runoff will be at best -10 feet.
Footnote on the Lock and Dam. For those of you that have seen the
Now some more:
A series of 29 locks and dams on the upper Mississippi, most of which were built in the 1930s, is designed primarily to maintain a 9 ft (2.7 m) deep channel for commercial barge traffic. The lakes formed are also used for recreational boating and fishing. The dams make the river deeper and wider but do not stop it. No flood control is intended. During periods of high flow, the gates, some of which are submersible, are completely opened and the dams simply cease to function.
So. When the dams cease to function, so does our $200 million dollar hydroelectric plant. How often does this happen?
Since I wanted to see just what the fall was on a yearly basis, I copied some info from the COE web site on 2007 Lock and Dam Pool 21 and tailwater levels and imported them into a Excel.
First tab/page is 2007 Pool, Second tab/page is Tailwater, Third tab/page is the “fall”/difference/head between the pool and tailwater. Falls less than 2 foot are colored in red. Falls between 2 and 5 feet are in Yellow, Falls greater than 7 are in Green.
I think that there has to be a better way to spend millions of taxpayer money on something that is more dependable that this.
I’m not a licensed engineer but this technology looks a little better for the Mighty Mississippi.
They currently have preliminary permits from the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to study 59 sites on the river. Read it here.
It generates power with the flow of the river, not the fall. In times of flood when the flow increases, it would produce more power. The lock and dams on the Mississippi would be the perfect place for these. The river traffic is diverted to either end of the current dams and would not affect the barge traffic. The entire flow of the river could be channeled before the dam and go through the turbines before going through the gates.
If you could somehow incorporate these into the existing dams on the river.
Ching. Ching.
(I think)








