What Burns My Ass:
- Notice that the speakers so far for a smoking ban are women?
- What is the big secret of the coalition not releasing what they distribute to the city council?
- If the mayor and city council members want some feedback, why don't they add a page on the city's web site for this?
- Week 4: City Councils speakers -6 / Public Hearings - 0. Hiding something? Why?
- If the coalition states, on their web site, that "community members may attend but only those who have an interest in making Quincy smoke-free will be allowed to participate in the discussion." How are they going to conduct a "public hearing"?
- Written request to speak under suspended rules by Jeff Bergman,
82 comments:
My ass is burning from the City's recycling "program" ! Do not buy what the spin Doctors sell !
only word that applies is
F***tard
Spin Doctors will say " We're getting $$$ for recycling"
Truth is it took others to Raise the issue then put a years worth of work into it .
F***tards at City hall
If they are having a "public hearing" but will not allow anti-ban speakers, then it is NOT a public hearing OR a discussion. It is "preaching to the choir".
If these "hearings" are being done as "public" thing, i.e. under sponsorship of government to serve the city's purpose, the coalition will be in violating the civil rights of anti-ban speakers. Even if it's NOT that kind of "public" hearing, it speaks to the morality of what the coalition is trying to force down our throats that they will not allow free and open discussion.
But then I've said their ultimate intent is quite clear from the name of their group. The full and total banning of any smoking ANYWHERE in Quincy.
They're as bad as the temperance goons were early in the 20th century. And we know how well THAT Prohibition worked out...
Good post 6:14
Thanks for stopping by !
The ILLINI burn my ass
Damn it damn it damn it
Bergman, he's my boy, and he's speaking against the ban? I'll offer him Cardinal tickets, he'll be supporting the ban in no time!
Honestly, I'm for the ban, but I've heard the city council won't do anything as far presenting an ordinacne. I've heard the councils plan is table the action indefinately. You smokers can rely on the inherent ineffectivness of the city council and it's reluctance to enter into controversial issues. I think all this debate is much to do about nothing. No one on the council has a pair enough to sponsor/propose a smoking ban.
The council gets mad when they they get "put on the spot", they need to realize before the run and get elected that they may have to deal with difficult issues, everything isn't a rubber stamp (from last meeting we saw that rubber stamp is a dirty word at 8th & Maine) issue, and that they may have to get in their and get their hands dirty.
The city council needs to hear BOTH sides of the issue. All they are hearing is a one sided statements from the smoking ban side.
If the city tables it "forever" that would be a good thing. It changes nothing. Business owners will go on deciding how best to run their business. Like it should be.
I don't think it take "a pair" to do anything in this situation. A group has came before the council and trying to push "their" agenda down the throats of the city.
If it is such that the "city" should decide to do this, put the proposal on an election.
9:35
Points well taken, but i don't think an election should decide the issue, not a good thing to put public safety issues on the ballot (could you imagine seat belt, speeding laws, food safety issues being on the ballot)?
I'm beyond the debating atthis point (been called too many names, called too many naems LOL), was fun, though, helps being unoffendable. Going into the prognosticating stage, which I believe doesn't look too good for the ban. Talk to anyone around the state in the know, they'll tell you that Quincy always has had an isolatory existence in the state, in a way. Because other communties have put bans in, Quincy will not, even if it's good for Quincy! But Quincy will likely suffer in ways because of this, just as it did in the "Forgotontonia" era (public health now, instead of no roads). Worst thing the ban folks could have done was bring in the lung gal from Springfield, even though she was SPOT ON with her message and rhetoric, was the most effective speaker by far, most insightful messsage, because she was from out of town, her message will likely go unheard.
Can we get Commodore Perry to steam into Quincy Bay?
Well, say what you want but I remember what my parents always told me when I was younger...
"If everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you?"
Just because everyone else is doing it doesn't make it right.
The Illini still burn my ass !
It's emil's fault . When the Illini were down they looked for the Chief to give them strength to win .........
Yet the Chief was gone and thus so were the Illini !
( hey it has worked for me and the down state post Friday Night )
Fire ,
How tall is the said cliff ?
Do we get 77 virgins in heaven if we jump off and yell "Allah Akbar"
Is there beer & Brauts at the bottom of the cliff ?
What about water ? Seeing as it's semi fun to jump off a cliff into water , does this cliff have water ?
11:36
Fireman, guess you're not a lawyer, or a lay person whp's heard of the idea of a thing called "precedence".
I got yo ass on this one!
For real, it can't be that bad if other communites are doing it! It took a while for everyone to get on board with putting flouride in drinking water, seprate BR's for women and men, and inventing the wheel, and letting women vote! This smoking ban will catch on, too, hopefully, with a little prodding of the CC! Word has it Virg may come though and be our savior!
Fire, what tavern do you run, anyway?
And I don't thuink the bar's and returants will suffer if a ban is implemented! The real attraction, of going out, is meeting and visiting with OTHER PEOPLE! The cigs may be cut out, but the people will still be there! You may see a small drop off initially, but the people will be back! Alcoholism has been decrsibed as the "lonely disease", so regardless of whether or not you can smoke, as long as alochol and people are there, the customers and the money will be there also. No one likes to drink alone. They are proving this in Springfield, no bars/rest have closed due to the ban! And all the alcoholics have been able to sustain their addictions.
They are proving this in Springfield, no bars/rest have closed due to the ban!
What f'in paper have you been reading ?? The lung lady daily?
Take a trip like I did to SPFLD and TALK to the bartenders there. They all say business is down by 50% at LEAST !!
2:16
Proabition came and went too...
2:16
prec·e·dence (prs-dns, pr-sdns) also prec·e·den·cy (prs-dn-s, pr-sdn-s)
n.
1. The fact, state, or right of preceding; priority
WTF does this have to do with smoking?
2:38
Like bartenders are a reliable sources of information, give me a break! No pubs have closed. Also, baretenders are not known as the best business people, why are the bars here in Quincy known as "10th and Main, 109 & Wash, 17th & State"? I'll tell ya why, cause they cahnge hands so often, peole can't remember what the're being called for the moment. And these solid citizens are the people we're sposed to be worried about? F--- you!
2:45
Ya, precedence, dumbass! Let me dummy it down for ya. What do judges look for when deciding "what is right". Were you in the back seat in law school, or when you were hung over? Take it out of the legal context, if you could, for a second. Other good, responsible communties have, in a way, established a kind of precedence when they put the bans in. The precedence centers around the concept that public heatlh is more important/trumps the ind's rights to smoke and owners rights to decide. I know, you're acting dumb about it, cause that's the part you disagree with. Nontheless, precedence has been established in this issue (Spring, Bloom, Chi, etc). You can say about it what you want, say it isn't right, un-american , whatever, but that's what you're dealing with! The ban folks, on the other hand, are dealing with a reluctant-to-act CC, cept for Virg, I still hear he's coming through for the ban!
Fire, think of precedence as a kind of "legitimatized sheeple" if that helps ya, buddy!
So if good things happen in other places, and they may happen here, but if they happen here then they "bad" things, just becauce they didn't happen to happen here first? Having trouble with the "Phillip Morris" funded logic. Let's see, you can go out in Bloomington, Springfield, and not be subjected to carcinogens by careless assholes, but if you go out in Quincy, you should be exposed to cancer, because Quincy is/should be exempt from public heatlh ordinances, because pub owners are important people, even though they come and go.........
All you assholes do here is haul water for the big tobacco lobby, addicted jerks.
Well.
I see this is getting a little out of hand from the last few posts.
There are ALWAYS two sides to every issue and if WE can debate them, then that is the direction I would like to go.
If not, I will take UMR's worthy advice and start the mediation.
I would hope WE could all be adults and discuss this WITHOUT name calling?
It up up you....
2:18
I do not own a bar, tavern or restaurant.
But I do enjoy going to the local watering hole to down a few cold ones and light up and relax.
Oh Fire let the Nazi goose step around !
He's a queer anyway and only SMOKES POLE at Some bread Shop !
bread boy got his ass handed to him tonight.
"it's a health issue, it's a health issue"
Smokers are winning without firing a shot.
5:09
3:04
WTF, don't be talkin about man my Bergman like that! Jeff gave a very good presentation last night! He made very good points, it is great to see business concerned about their customers and employees health. Jeff didn't have to speak out last night. I don't think calling Jeff names is in order, I've known him for 20 years, he is a good christian, family man. He really is concerned with everyone's health! It is a public health issue, it is not a choice or rights issue.
4:55 I hear ya, I'm doing better, will be good FNO!
509
Was calling you the POLE smoking pillow biting anti smoking have the Gov save us and our "children" from smokers in PUBS QUEER
You buddy was just a pawn
your the real ass hat
I would like to encourage people, when writing letters to the editor of the QHW, to be responsible. A guy fom Payson recently wrote that he smoked for years, and is in his 50's, and there is nothing wrong with him..... I wouldn't want to be him at his next chest x-ray, that's a crap shoot I wouldn't want to be involved in.
Also Melanie Wolf, to the effect of you can be exposed to 1 1/2 to 2 hours of smoke daily, and it won't harm ya? Hello? I hope Melanie never worked in healthcare. 400 + carcnogens for 2 hours daily, and it shouldn't harm ya? Does Melanie tour with Death Cheaters International?
Just don't think people should be spreading junk/whack science at this time. Be responsible with your spew! No wonder kids grow up and chooose to smoke, if this is the crazy advice they get! Listen to the MD from the Blessing Cancer center if you want "for real" advice on smoking, she spoke at CC meeting. Melanie Wold, get a clue! You made about as much sense as Polly Welcher.
8:26
Make yourself useful and blow the Marlboro Man.
8:27
FYI: It's only 40 not 400.
Please don't exagerate FACTS also.
8:39
You and I were both wrong. It's actually 600.
What some 7 grain whole wheat with your penis ?
Everyone is guessing here WITHOUT facts....
American Cancer Web Site:
Tobacco smoke contains over 4,000 chemical compounds. More than 60 of these are known or suspected to cause cancer.
What's a fart contain?
Better yet, Whats in a Hot Dog?
How many tests have they done on a weiner ??
Not as many I guess.
Can you get hot dog's at the smoke free place ....Oscar Meyer dog's ! not Mr Anti Smoke Protect the Chill-dren Elton John Wanna be weiners.
The ban Smoking crowd has a new battle cry "Take it to the BASE"
;)
I think cheeto boy has run out of lipstick to rub on his ass .
"If they are having a "public hearing" but will not allow anti-ban speakers, then it is NOT a public hearing OR a discussion. It is "preaching to the choir"."
What do these people need to have a freakin high school PEP RALLY???? How bout we light a big ole bon fire and get somebody to run around in some sort of mascot costume!
;)
TO THE ANTI SMOKING CONGREGATION.
Answer me one freakin question.
Why has Nancy Bluhm and the Admas County Health Department decided that it is right for the CITY OF QUINCY to ban smoking but have not presented the same ordinance before the ADAMS COUNTY BOARD????
want a clue?
thier paycheck maybe???
This makes them little more than hipocrits! They represent Adams County but they think only a portion of the county (namely the city of Quincy) should ban smoking. What about business's in payson, Liberty, Camp Point, Ursa, or Lima???? If it is so bad for us Quincians then its not bad for our neighbors and county colleagues???
What a freakin joke you people are!
1:08
Who cares about Libery, Payson, and Camp Point. Places aren't exactly known for their fine dining, are they?
1:03 GWT
You can't have mascots no more, where have you been, dipshit?
The county board is as big as joke as the CC, neither will pas a ban, se rest easy. State may pass the ban. They'll whore us out to Ameren and the Oil companies, and continue to tax gas at $3:00 a gallon, and they will put a smoking ban in place, you can bet your ass on that. Hope you guys like pain!
How bout a Bon fire full of cigs & cigars and toss in some weed for that cheeto eating ass hat who hates smokers ?
The mascot can be a cancer cell running around and screaming "boo" at people.
Then that anon Ban Smoking Mo' can smoke some pole in the parking lot !
I bet he wears hemp clothes and listens to PHISH and may smell of B.O. and petulie oil.
Reason why they didn't invivte the anti-ban flks is the same reason they saw fit to have four uniormed cops at the CC meeting when they all showed. They're scared of the anti-ban (tavern owners) mob, and they should be. Most of them are foul mouthed, unsavory miscreants, creightons. And then you have Gabe Mc Clean!
Just kiddin Gabe, we love ya!
So the Pro ban folks are Holy rolling Pole Smoking Homo's and some uppity health care house Fraus .
You Pro Ban folks are a joke !
Or Chief Raider could be the mascot. But then again, he can't. Chief Raider is outlawed, buring in public is not legal, pot is out-lawed, smokers at the forum are not ivited, smoking in public is soon to be banned, Cheetos are on the list for being not healthy....
I think I see you guys point, we can't even have have a debate/bon fire, cause everything is now illegal! Consider me conveted! LOL
And the pro ban guy can't even marry his cross dressing life partner
"Who cares about Libery, Payson, and Camp Point."
AHHHH, theres your hipocracy once again! But what about the POOr CHILDREN (as you like to claim) in these towns. Aren't they also citizens of Adams County??? Why don't you race to thier defense?
Keep living in your little world!!! Ya might want to stop on out to Mike Place in Liberty. Pretty fine eats especially the homemade pie!
I personally think there might be an alterior motive with some of these COUNTY based PERSONNEL when it comes to this matter.
HEY NANCY, Why don't you go speak before Mike McLaughlin and the boys????? Put this type of pressure on them and see where it gets the funding of your department!
3:02
Lootie, Oswald acted alone!
302 is NOT Lootie
so f*ck yourself
For that
Lootie
Busch Stadium is going smoke free, let's all follow the example of Busch Stadium and make everywhere smoke free! Clean air at last, clean air at last, good god almighty I'm gonna free my ass!
You'd free your ass too if you pull that bread stick out of there.
and the cards suck more balls than the guy with a bread stick in his poop shoot !
GO CUBS
The level of intelligence on this site is amazing! We are talking about peoples health as opposed to peoples right to self inflict injury to themselves and those around them. Let’s make it simple.
Is smoking got for you?
Does it have any redeeming value to society?
Should we let five year olds smoke?
Should I be allowed to have sex at the local restaurant as long as I do it at my table?
Figure it out yet? Ok, try again after you light up.
You lost us at "Let’s make it simple.
Is smoking got for you?"
What is "got" for you ?
Look go eat a sammi-itch at the bread joint and reflect on the clean air . I would tell you to grab a beer but they only serve soft drinks !
p.s. :
I bet your the type of perv already having sex at your table ! Shave your palms today Spanky ?
Is salty ham good for you?
Are candy bars good for you?
Is driving around in your car with no particular destination... just hanging out... good for you or for the health of others?
Where do you draw the line, Stalin?
Are you dogoody fucks done when you've stopped the smoking?
I mean, let's face it, we'd all be better off if all Hostess products were illegal, too.
11:57
Nicotine f cks brain cells up, to the point where empathy and consideration for others are impossible. You can't dummy it down for the idiot-ass smokers enough, they still can't get it. They pick on your spelling when they know they can't win the argument. At least when they are smoking, they are not breeding, that's all we can ask for at this point. But they sure can bust butt down to the public aid office when they need a lung transplant, or O2 paid for. Deer ticks on society that they are, damn smokers! One of em talkin bout Card's suckin, & the're WS champs. Go figure.
No true Cubs fan says a thing nice about those DAMN Cards !
and what about the children
In Tobacco states ? They need to eat too !
Just face it your a lipstick on the ass queer NAZI !
Zeig Heil your ass off a bridge !
What about the non-smokers who live to be 100 and use up all the social security dollars? Trust me, we need some folks to die.
My personal spin on this ban--- what country are we living in?
It is not the government's place to 'put a ban of no smoking' on a country-city-county or anyplace.
I am 'smoke free for 15 years' female & I am also a Medical Professional.
I choose not to smoke and I in my own home I can say 'no smoking'-- although that is MY personal choice and my personal right.... IN MY OWN HOME. But, it is not the governments right to do this.
Each business, office ownership, and individual can 'make that choice-to be smoke free but we are a Free Democracy and it is the indivuals responsibility and their own accountability to 'their own best intrests of healh for self and those they are around!
Yes it is NOT healthy but again - it is NOT the government's right to determine something such as this-when anyone can go into almost any retail establishment selling goods & purchase them. Age control yes. But not of structure of government control of the people such as this ordinance.
Thank You for my opportunity to express my views and it can be done with language far above what I see some of you choose to use.
Regarding the comments by Melanie Wolf. I am Melanie Wolf. I am a nurse and have been for 40 years. Get a clue. Many more people smoked when I was a child. If your theory is right, there would be no one alive past 50 or 60. All dead from 2nd hand smoke. Everyone knows smoking is not healthy, and it stinks. The point sir is the loss of our rights imposed by the government. This is too socialistic for me. Wait till someone gets a wild hair and wants to take away one of your rights that you enjoy.
For you folks who are gung ho on the smoking ban, I hope you only leave your homes from 3a.m.-4a.m. Did you know; exhaust from internal combustion engines, including diesel and gasoline powered engines contain over 100 individual hazardous chemical components. When combined, this can result in as many as 10,000 chemical components. BENZENE,POLYNUCLEAR AROMATIC HYDROCARBON, FORMALDEHYDE, BENZOFURAN, CARBON MONOXIDE NITRIC OXIDES, most of which are carcinogens. This data is from OSHA. So do you suggest we hook up our horse and buggy? Or is this an inconvenient truth?
5:10
What fantasy land do you live in? The govt tells regulates our entire exsistence. You go to work in an emmission controled car, drive the speed limit to work (if your license and registation has been obtained, and if you are okay enough that they even give you a license), you beter have insurance, wear your seat belt, park where you're told, make sure you are not .08 intoxicated, taxes are taken out of your wages, you best not sexually harass anyone at work, your employer better not be polluting the environment, you better be working withing OSHA's guidelines, your employer better be paying you at least the minimum wage, don't hit a construction worker on your way home from work, if you do the sign says it is a fine & jail term of x amount......
Why do you think the govt can't/won't/shouldn't regulate smoking in public also?
Your anti-smoking crowd rhetoric has a circa 1990's Missouri back-woods "Freeman" ring to at (and lack of reason). Go live with them and smoke all you want.
9:02
So, the fact that government regulates something means that you are okay with government regulating everything?
So, since the government regulates the items listed above... shouldn't/ couldn't / wouldn't the government regulate our daily caloric intake?
9:02
The dictionary should ditch whatever definition it has for "slippery slope" and replace it with your complicit sheeple rant.
I just want to ask how would everyone get by with out us dumb ass smokers and the taxes we revenu for the state everyear?? We pay for ciggarettes? We know what were buying? You know where to go to get away from it. I feel you closeminded dumbasses have nothing better to do. Obvioulsley most people smoke to releive stress; you fucks find a minority group to pick on who is worse? Also you know where it is not smoking so go there. Also find something better to do with your time. Sit and think at the billions of dollars that would be gone if there was no people who smoke and we will see how happy you are then paying sooo much more for your bread and butter?? And this would be the truth to why they will never outlaw smoking.
They will never outlaw smoking, because smoking is awesome... and cool.
10:20
You got the "dumb ass" part right!
Just kidding!
Will it be a bad thing if the parking lot at Phillip Morris High School (what's sad is that it actually exists, or is named that)is full of Geo's instead of Porches? That's where your money is going. Porches for tobacco farmers kids. Go ahead and support he kids, smoke em if you got em.
10:27
Pipes and cigars, yes! I say keep Cigars and Pipes legal to smoke in bars, restaurants, and schools!
Some critics and animal lovers are honing in on what they see as lax regulation of the $15 billion pet-food industry in the United States.
Now there going to get the gummemint involved in pet food! Oh no! When does it end! Big govt pickin on the man, I can't take it anymore, boo hoo,cry me a river, mo-fo's! Now they fighting for the kids and the cats and dogs! Damn do-gooder nazi's! Call F. Donald, quick!
Now the anti smoking pillow biter is doing a dumbocrat CLASS WARFARE line !
That will teach em ------ ass dart
FOR ME. 8:10. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN LOSING YOUR RIGHTS AND FULL BLOWN ANARCHY. SOUNDS LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE NO RULES FOR ANYTHING. WOULDN'T THAT BE SUPERB!
In the 'headlines of California'--In California-An updated smoking ordinance, similar to the Public Health Institute's model ordinance regulating smoking in multiunit residences and elsewhere throughout the city would be a great place to start.
Yet, a 12 year old can go to the doctors, tell them they have headache's and are given the 'consent' to take to the supplier and buy medical marijuana. DAAAA!!!!
Are you for that in Quincy too?
Tell me how this makes sense? A 'person who makes the choice to smoke tobacco' is going from city wide-to personal homes and housing. YET-- an illegal drug which causes 'instant possibilities of danger'-- can be done without question or consent.
Illinois does not require annual emission tests on cars. You hope your vehicle emission is within standards of operation. I lived in a state for several years that did require that-and many a car failed and needed repairs in which to pass. So, does Illinois 'have' to come up with that just because 'everyone else-states do?'
It all comes down to 'the more rope you give them' -- in BIG BROTHER living and controlling your life-- the MORE BIG BROTHER is going to take away from you. BIG BROTHER - GOVERNOR of ILLINOIS is taking more from most of you than any of you would like. And who voted him in? Maybe some of you who want all the gov-controls! The more you give - the more they will take & the more you will lose of your personal rights.
http://www.news10.net/display_story.aspx?storyid=25446
Me-- I'm a 'smoke free' person but have the choice & sense to make the choice's of where I go - and where I sit- and let the tax's these smoker's want to pay into our state-- keep doing so.
They know the 'possibilities of consequence's to their health-- yet-- what about my friend who just had lung lobes removed and on chemo-- never has smoked/neither does spouse and nor does the circle of their friends. Not from 'second - hand smoke'. By the way I too am a medical professional. Would be great that 'everyone' choose to be smoke free BUT BIG BROTHER does not need to be the one to tell them. As with quitting smoking, 'A PERSON HAS TO WANT TO'.
The more of Big Brother = the closer to your loss's of Freedom and more the standards of communisum that can engulf a country- inch by inch!
Do you want to be there?
8:47
Communism has already prevailed in this country, why you bitchin about it now? At least we can be communist and have clean air.
Yes, there certainly is communism in the United States- but prevailing????---at least not yet- and if your using your brain cells you had better hope and pray it never is prevalent.
The last national CPUSA ticket -- headed by Gus Hall and Angela Davis -- was fielded in 1984 (36,000 votes - 8th place). While the party has not directly run any candidates since the late 1980s, the CPUSA sometimes backs some candidates in various local elections (often in Northeastern industrial communities) and engages in grassroots political and labor union organizing. In the 1998 elections, longtime CPUSA leader Hall actually urged party members to vote for all of the Democratic candidates for Congress -- arguing that voting for any progressive third party candidates would undermine the efforts to oust the "reactionary" Republicans from control of Congress.
Regarding 'clean air' without 'cigarette smoke'-- Pollution in our world effects two essential aspects of our planet: air and water. Although their pollutants are emitted in completely different ways, they both harm living organisms. Air pollution is predominately emitted though the exhaust of motor vehicles and the combustion of fossil fuels, whereas water pollution is the result of industrial waste and environmental accidents.
So perhaps you are living in a bubble-you desire communism-clean air and water we will mention as well. How much chlorine - which is a carcinogenic is put in the water you are drinking? Hope you have one of the best water systems in the world too. I do.
Everyone needs to be more personally accountable for self and family - not letting the government take on all the rolls.
8:10
Like I said, we can lean communist, but at least we can have clean air!
It is sad that I can't tell if you are kidding. There are enough really stupid people on these blogs to believe that about communism. A bunch of "means to an end" folks who like the idea of a government that won't let smarter people with more talent get ahead of them.
Perhaps I could send the 'communist leaner and desirer' a ticket to China - Russia - Cuba or other simular coutries 1st Class - ONE WAY and he/or she should it be (but doubtful) can then live under their rule!
9:06
Oswald already did that, dumbass.
Meanwhile, SB 500 passes!
You freeman/ibertarians are losing ground daily!
Good luck converting your bar into a Sonic!
The speech-vocabulary of these sites are disgraceful-as is the mentality of some it appears. Can not believe some think 'freedom is unimportant.' They would never be on a blog site without their freedom. Better hope that those freedoms continue.
Some of you people scare the hell out of me. Are you communist or what? Why in the world in a free society would you believe that it is the decision of a city council or an issue for people to vote on in an election what legal activity I allow on my own property in my own business. Don't even tell me health issues are different. Until smoking is outlawed get out of my face. If you say you are for a smoking ban; then you are telling me you are against freedom and it is people like you that we will be able to thank when when we are the Socialist States of America. Then you will really have something to cry about with big brother controlling our life.
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